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ask all of our guests too but I'd also

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like to ask you about the topic of radar

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equipment being used for possible UFO

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UAP activity can you please give us some

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information on that can you hear me well

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were you asking me I was distracted

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sorry about that yeah it's okay yeah go

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to the guests Michael have you

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experienced any information listening to

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any information or been given any

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information on really good cases

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regarding radar having been used I know

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doctor I think it's Richard Haines of

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NASA used reports I think that radar

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radar picked up UFOs he did like report

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on like 2,000 or 5,000 UFOs being caught

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by radar do you have any input on

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anything that's radar related regarding

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to the topic of UFOs oh definitely yeah

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dr. Richard Haines is a longtime client

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of mine his organization is called NAR

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cap which is the pilot reporting agency

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for military commercial and private

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pilot's who see UFOs who want to report

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them but don't want to have the problem

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that they might get you know backlash

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from their employers so his reports come

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in and are recorded and anonymously but

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Kevin day that that deep was mentioning

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as well chief petty officer kevin day

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from the princeton ship using the spy-1

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radar which was in the Nimitz UFO group

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that they are they were recording these

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anomalous radar returns for

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approximately a week to ten days during

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this offshore exercise that was going on

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just west of San Diego and this is the

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spy-1 radar this is the brand new

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facility they started finding these

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anomalies as soon as they upgraded to

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the spy-1 radar they even took the spy-1

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radar then and tried to get it

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tweaked because they thought they could

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be just anomalous returns and come to

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find out that when they did that that

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returns even got stronger regarding

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these flights of tic-tac UFOs that were

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coming from north to south so yeah radar

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is very important and Peter Davenport

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UFOs Northwest analyzes radar data all

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the time because he's a bill Puckett was

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and Dave Mason have you any anecdotal

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stories or any information all or your

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your perception or opinion on why radar

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equipment is so vital in discerning

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possible UFO activities in our sky over

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our oceans etc yes it's a different

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electromagnetic medium it's a much lower

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frequency than long way by our it it

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often bets objects in the skies that the

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pilots have they they don't see anything

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but they get a return they and they're

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told there's something out there well

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they don't make visual confirmation so

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there's something being detected by RF

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indicates a different spectrum and and

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pilot but it is not confirmed on the

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ground even though it may show mass so

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that in some cases it's either/or and so

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distance it may not be picked up on

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back and that is a significant property

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to indicate that you have an anomalous

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object and in discussion about the radar

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jamming it is an extremely difficult

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thing to do because radar spectrum can

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megahertz to several gigahertz or you

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somebody's radar I would need the

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appropriate equipment and in my case I

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would come up I would use a traveling

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who had a specific radar system and what

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frequencies to use to jam that and it's

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very expensive and very difficult

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process to do so to try to do that at

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random virtually impossible I would have

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to know what I was jamming thank you for

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answering that I did want to ask dr.

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arenas Scott the same question and then

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dr. Irina do you have any anecdotal

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stories or opinion on why a radar

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detection of UFO / UAP activity is so

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important I think it's very important

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because it's another method of studying

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that and in my book and in my speech I

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suggesting that maybe some UFOs are

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images such as laser made images such as

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versa - you don't know exactly how radar

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someone might be very advanced images

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very good point we have Dean Ashley on

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the show and Dean is a fascinating

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person he is deeply involved in the

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topic of ufology and researching it and

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he has a BA in English she joined the

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Navy in 1996 he became an aviation

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electronics technician and served for a

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rank of ePHI but decided the civilian

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world was better suited for him and he

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eventually found a job as a deeper level

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flirt technician and has been in the

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same position ever since welcome Dean to

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our show how are you good we actually

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what he does Dean can you give us a

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short synopsis of what you do regarding

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trying to capture possible UFO activity

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and what you use what equipment you use

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and tools etc government-level infrared

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equipment different manufacturers

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different sizes different standoffs kind

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of a variety so when we fix these

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turrets gimbals we have to do an

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operational check and usually stick them

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same things that pilots or operators

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equipment you're using are you I know

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probably worth thousands of dollars is

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reliable yes like I said it's government

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it because I don't want to reveal too

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much but it's actually millions of

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dollars of equipment thousands of

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dollars would be like the cables the

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associated cables but yeah I think the

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price tag for these kind of turrets are

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range so I you know we've taken them

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dead pixel cluster or you know something

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that we're just not used to seeing so as

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confident about that okay I think drones

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are important to mention to everybody

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that an awful lot of naive or wide-eyed

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people that don't have a lot of

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experience regarding being an expert on

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what a drone is do you think that's an

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issue Dean regarding possible drone

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eat ET pod view them on the infrared but

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of your vision I mean I'm over 40 so I

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can't see too well anymore but drones

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will get a they're very small in the sky

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unless it's a very big drone and I'm

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talking like DARPA kind of projects were

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there but right when we talked to you in

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quad copters multi slash multirotors

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that people fly around like you do for a

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hobby regarding your building them and

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flying them but we also talked about

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making a good argument regarding why

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these objects the drones being the

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drones are seen in the flurry UFO videos

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could not be drones can you give any

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were drones like going back to the AG

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balloon but not really but if it was a

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the the motors opposed to the plastic

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chassis of the drone it's gonna be more

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defined than just a blob moving through

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this guy or you know orb

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it's gonna you're gonna see definition

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to it okay and then Dave Mason and

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yourself Dean um I would like to ask you

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a very pointed question and that is Kemp

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difference between thermal imaging

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low-light cameras and why fleurs are

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different Dave what is your thought on

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that well the flare is going to detect

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infrared the the advantage of it is that

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spectrum that is not you know visually

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temperature measurement so that in

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conventional camera you you have that

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measure a temperature you know given you

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object to another you can vet the

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differences on there in my experiences

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of recording these anomalous objects and

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I've recorded many most of these objects

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measure very cold and temperature you

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know they're down in the minus twenty

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minus 40 Fahrenheit range and and so and

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I and I use select cameras that have

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cold temperature ranges because that's

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where I've been detecting most of these

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objects although I've had a couple that

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actually ranged much higher in

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temperature but when you're talking with

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somebody else who has familiarity with

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thermography I have no doubt that

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they've recorded something anomalous

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because they're they're very aware of

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the technology and know its limitations

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and and know the differences between

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balloons or drones so I would go you

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know with their opinion on what they've

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recorded okay and Dean do you feel like

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that pretty much covers it regarding the

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topic of thermal imaging sensors fleurs

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and the low-light cameras or did you

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want to jump in and say anything else on

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the long way of like he's talking about

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Dave's talking about there is kind of

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associated with temperature thermography

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so let's say choose as a tool I can they

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have a FLIR one module that you can plug

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into your iphone and it shows the

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temperature and it doesn't have like an

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auto gain level like mid wave I use the

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mid wave this is what we have for

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government-level

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and it's not associated with temperature

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you'll see like if you're looking down

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and a force and then you look up in the

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sky your games and levels are gonna

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change according to your scene

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temperature so the sky is cold and it

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will boost the level in the game to try

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to pull something out of an image as far

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as a low-light camera the way I use

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low-light is it's not infrared at all

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it's more of like the nine hundred

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nanometer spectrum it's it's kind of

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like the security cameras you put up in

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your house where they have a near IR LED

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that will shine in illuminate an area

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and then the near the low-light camera

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will pick that up so it's I look at that

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it was more as like a visual camera so

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that's the big difference is low-light

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is like a visual camera but just boost

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it up you know that wavelength 909 Mir

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thermal imaging is shortwave mid wave

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and long wave got a little bit of

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experience with shortwave but mostly mid

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wave this is going to be the last part

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of this show unless Frank wants to chime

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in but I just wanted to tell our

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panelists that I spoke with rich Hoffman

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who's on the board of the scientific

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coalition of you a piece and he gave me

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some interesting info regarding

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equipment and tools that folks can use

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to capture unusual phenomena or that is

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being used I'm gonna go ahead and read

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off that list that he gave me

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it is theodolite this is an app that has

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a camera or quartz gps the bearing can

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provide the angular size and help

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compute distance and attitude for a few

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bucks he recommends this over the camera

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on the iPhone another one still arrium

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this is one of many astronomy tools

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slash apps that allows you to determine

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whether the object is a star planet a

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comet and more geo stat watch this

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allows you to determine and rule out

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satellites flightradar24 determined

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aircraft overhead

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lastly others a few more but I'll go

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ahead and stop here

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Tesla meter leverages iPhone Magna meter

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to measure background radiation deep

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arena just jump it just if I can

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jump in here real quick chant as

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stellarium which rich mentioned has a

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thank you for giving us that valuable

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valuable input just to our panelists how

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do you feel about that list are you

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familiar with any of these applications

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anyone please jump in I would this is

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dinner date

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what's Dave okay okay so I'm just gonna

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try to understand the question here what

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is as to whether or not these devices

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are going to be useful in vetting the

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information on there I would like to

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just add a whole process here if you're

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tastic all right well I just wanted to

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let me just go ahead I have to start

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recording this sorry just you got just

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Sunday's and we have issues like this on

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Sunday it's not every Sunday you do it

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but why was your learning a backup

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recording just in case so we have a

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current so I just wanted to change all

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of our panelists for having been on the

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show today

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scientist D Prasad dr. Irina Scott we

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have the wonderful Dean Ashley I wish we

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had been able to talk to you more who

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does a lot of research regarding the

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topic of UFOs /you ApS and we did do an

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interview with him so please look up

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that interview if you want to learn more

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about him and also Dave Mason who is on

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the UFO i-team with Michael Hall we also

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had a wonderful paranormal lawyer

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Michael hall on today so I think

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everybody for having been on our show

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thank you so much for your time we look